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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby wouldntyouliketoknow » Wed Oct 13, 2010 1:18 am

500 parents in legal action to win back 'stolen' children taken into care

By Martyn Halle 10/10/2010

Hundreds of heartbroken parents who claim social services "stole" their children have launched a legal bid to win them back.
The 500 mums and dads say it is impossible to get justice in the UK and have turned to an international court.
Families argue they are the victims of social workers who are over-zealous after cases such as Victoria Climbié and Baby Peter and a process in family courts which is excessively secretive.

They also say that the courts rely too heavily on the opinions of experts or social workers and that it is wrong that there is no right of appeal. The UK now has 64,000 children in care...a 6pc rise since 2006.

If the Court of Human Rights in The Hague backs the new case, it could let parents bring proceedings against councils - and get their children back.
One dad told the Sunday Mirror last year he had lost his daughter to adoption days after her birth.
"Crystal" was taken because of an unproven allegation that Alan (not his real name) had harmed his son from a previous marriage.
Alan, 44, who is campaigning for a change in the law, found that over five years his local authority, Enfield in North London, had succeeded in all 43 cases where it wanted to take a child into care. He said: "It's hard to believe they right every time.

In my case there was no evidence our girl would be harmed by me or my wife. Yet she was 'snatched' without warning."
And another dad in Nottingham whose three boys were taken after a tip-off said he and his wife were never told the allegation against them. Sam Hallimond, of pressure group Freedom Advocacy and Law, organising the court action, said: "Families are fighting injustices, with children being taken on vague allegations."

Mr Hallimond, who had his daughter taken for adoption in Suffolk, added: "If the court agree our rights have been breached, we could bring prosecutions against councils and possibly get our children back."
Lib Dem MP John Hemming, backing the legal action, said: "We are challenging a system where simply believing a child is at risk can see them taken into care - or being adopted and lost for ever."

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-storie ... -22623940/
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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby wouldntyouliketoknow » Thu Oct 14, 2010 12:09 am

Senior family court judges back Cafcass at MPs' inquiry

Tuesday 12 October 2010

Two of the country's top family judges have backed Cafcass, with reservations, claiming there has been no deterioration in the quality of children's guardian reports despite the increase in public law care applications.
While giving evidence to the public accounts committee today, Sir Nicholas Wall, president of the family division, and Sir Mark Hedley, High Court judge in London, were asked if Cafcass was "fit for purpose".
Hedley said that most people had been fervent supporters of Cafcass when it was launched as there were problems with local authorities funding independent guardians.

"There have been persistent arguments about whether it was given adequate funding when it was launched which I can't really comment on because I don't know. However, as a trial judge I consider myself quite well served by Cafcass guardians so all I can say is that the service as it is delivered on the ground is fit for purpose. Whether the organisation is, I'm afraid I don't feel I'm in a position to judge."
Sir Nicholas Wall said although he did not believe Cafcass was offering a world class service he had not had any feedback from judges that individual guardian reports had suffered.

He said he wanted to see the end of the duty guardian system "because nobody likes it" but had agreed to it continuing in some areas, if local judges were happy with it, until the outcome of the family justice review.
He had also instructed all judges to become "case managers" in their courts, instructing guardians when they felt one was needed and ordering what guardian reports should focus on to try and save time in proceedings. He admitted the move had not been "universally popular" among judges but he did not see any other option.

Hedley said that although Cafcass had made great inroads on backlogs in London he was worried that individual guardians might pay the price.
"What we do know is that Cafcass guardians are now carrying at least double the workload that they were a year ago. How that might filter through in terms of the service offered I'm not in a position to be able to predict."
He said the backlog arrangement made in London meant that guardians needed to be present only at the four key moments in a court case including the first hearing, the case management hearing, the issue resolution hearing and the final trial. Therefore, guardians should be able to take on more cases.
"How that will work in practice remains to be seen. Cases will be allocated quickly so they can attend the first hearing but the problem might come down the line when we can see the impact on individual practitioners," Hedley said.


http://www.communitycare.co.uk/Articles ... nquiry.htm
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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby wouldntyouliketoknow » Tue Oct 19, 2010 4:28 am

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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby DRHBONES » Wed Oct 20, 2010 1:31 am

I totally agree do not register your children what possible good has come from this registration please tell me! What ?
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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby wouldntyouliketoknow » Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:17 pm

DRHBONES wrote:I totally agree do not register your children what possible good has come from this registration please tell me! What ?



Totally agree but how can parents de-register them if they have already as most have been tricked into registering them :idea:
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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby wouldntyouliketoknow » Wed Oct 20, 2010 10:15 pm

Community Champions Hide Child Stealing Truth

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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby polly316 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:49 pm

I've been hearing of this practise as it seems to be coming quite common, it really is truely sad, I could never emphasise with such a thing.
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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby wouldntyouliketoknow » Sun Nov 28, 2010 6:55 pm

Its been going on for years Polly its just that they kept it well hidden and still do, evil always hides in the dark :evil:

Forced adoptions get no sympathy from the ministry :evil:

While loving families are torn apart, Whitehall insists the system is working fine, says Christopher Booker
Last week I listened for an hour to a sobbing mother describing how she recently lost the six-year-old daughter who is the centre of her life. Her fatal mistake was to ask social workers for advice when she was being troubled by "harassment" from the child's father, from whom she parted some years ago. Within days, although it was never suggested that she had harmed her daughter in any way, she found herself facing a "case conference" of 20 people at the local council offices, the conclusion of which was that her child must be placed in foster care.
The solicitor she was given by the social workers refused to oppose the care order. At a "contact" session, when she and her bewildered daughter emotionally expressed their love for each other, the interview was halted. She has not been allowed to see her child again.

Having followed dozens of such cases in recent months, which suggest that something has gone horribly wrong with our child protection system, I was recently invited for an off-the-record ministerial discussion about what I have been reporting. But far from recognising that anything might be astray, the official line, it seems, is that the horrifying cases I have covered represent only an untypical minority of the total – "less than 10 per cent". In general, the system is working fine.

This line seems to be confirmed by the latest guidance issued to local authorities by the Children's Minister, Tim Loughton, who says that too many councils are failing to ensure that enough children are being adopted, and that the backsliders must speed up their flow of adoptions. No question as to whether social workers might be snatching too many of the wrong children in the first place – or why the courts seem so eager to support them that, of around 8,000 applications made each year for care orders, only one in 400 is refused.
I shall give just one disturbing instance of the latest developments in a case I have been following for months. Like many others, this came to me through the Forced Adoption website, run by former councillor Ian Josephs. It involves a married couple whose five older children were seized earlier this year, subsequent to which their latest baby was torn from its mother's arms only hours after it was born.

The bizarre story originally stated by the social workers to justify their ruthless intervention in this family's life seems to have collapsed. At a recent court hearing, I am told, the judge seemed disposed to reunite the family as soon as possible. The baby was returned to her parents later that day. But the council asked for 21 days' stay of execution before returning the five older children, three of whom the parents had not been allowed to see for weeks. The judge apparently agreed but insisted that an independent social worker should interview the children.
The independent social worker eventually managed to interview four of the children, apparently reporting that they all wished to be allowed to go home to their parents. But the court refused to give the parents a copy of the judge's ruling, and on Friday they were summoned back to hear from him that he had now seemingly changed his mind and that the children did not wish to come home after all. According to the parents, they were not allowed to question the evidence on which he based his new ruling, although they were told they could appeal.

What on earth is going on here? Even from the little I am permitted to report of this case, it seems evident that something seriously odd is afoot.
But this is merely one of far too many cases where families are being heartlessly torn apart, often without the parents even being allowed to question the evidence or to speak for themselves. To hear such horror stories being dismissed as representing "less than 10 per cent" of all the cases where children are seized is simply not good enough. Each is shocking enough in its own right. But when every week brings news of a dozen more, this only confirms that we indeed have a national scandal on our hands.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/colu ... istry.html
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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby polly316 » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:20 pm

It also seems to be practically impossible to stall or even hold on cases of these matters as when the ball starts to roll its practially impossible to stop. When has anyone ever heard of an order of care being reversed within the first few months they were made, if this has happened in the past its usually extremely rare. They also further this by treating the parents like crap and giving them a reason to be practically depressed for the rest of their days, it really is unforgivable.

On another note I can see the argument for not registering childrens birth certificates but I'd imagine it would cause no end of problems for the parent trying to do such a thing, has anyone sucessfully done this? As it seems society tries to make things such as these unattainable by making you have to have ID, passport, insurance number and so on to at least be able to partake in todays society. The biggest on there I could see numerous problems with is the insurance number I can't see how we'd be able to function without one assuming were not all self employed and must work for an employer at some point in our lives.
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Re: HOW THE GOVERNMENT STEAL CHILDREN FROM LOVING FAMILIES

Postby wouldntyouliketoknow » Sun Nov 28, 2010 10:25 pm

polly316 wrote:It also seems to be practically impossible to stall or even hold on cases of these matters as when the ball starts to roll its practially impossible to stop. When has anyone ever heard of an order of care being reversed within the first few months they were made, if this has happened in the past its usually extremely rare. They also further this by treating the parents like crap and giving them a reason to be practically depressed for the rest of their days, it really is unforgivable.

On another note I can see the argument for not registering childrens birth certificates but I'd imagine it would cause no end of problems for the parent trying to do such a thing, has anyone sucessfully done this? As it seems society tries to make things such as these unattainable by making you have to have ID, passport, insuarance number and so on to at least be able to partake in todays society. The biggest on there I could see numerous problems with is the insurance number I can't see how we'd be able to function without one assuming were not all self employed and must work for an employer at some point in our lives.



Very good points Polly may be John or other Freeman may like to add , as there must be a way to unenslave these children and stop this disgusting cruelty happening to parents.
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