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Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby TheStoge on Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:15 pm

grahoom on Tue Feb 02, 2010 2:15 pm

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Clearly, youre going to get nothing from this old piece of metal.

If the above is the gun in question, you don't need to be a weapons expert to see that lump of metal IS not capable of firing anything what so ever.


I think a blind man on a galloping horse could see that !
Has anyone any firearms knowledge to corroborate this ? An ex-serviceman perhaps ?
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Re: Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby kazz67 on Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:24 pm

Please try to stay on topic with this one guys, and to avoid being drawn into personal slanging matches. The last thing we want to do as mods is shut down important discussions so please try to work with us.

Here's to Maurice Kirk, an innocent man being stitched up by a corrupt and unjust system intent on protecting itself at all costs to the benefit of the few.
Lets give him all the support we can!

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Re: Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby MadBomberJones on Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:24 pm

I was writing for the other thread regarding the plight of poor Maurice Kirk, which has since been locked. So I am going to chuck this on here, unedited. As I feel that a good portion of it, does cover the firearm. Hope you don’t mind Stoge. And I hope my comments help to clear up, the concerns about the Lewis Gun.

Originally intended for other thread, before it got locked:

"There are lots to quote from on this thread, but I am not getting involved in peoples class, background issues etc. What does concern me, is the misunderstandings some seem to have regarding the Lewis (Machine Gun), and the sectioning of MK. Both matters I just so happen to have more knowledge than the average Joe.

As a CPO, part of my job is "Threat Assessment" it covers many subjects, but part of being able to carry a threat assessment, is the knowledge of firearms, should it be considered that the client may be at risk from groups, who have access to firearms.
It’s not enough just to recognise whether a firearm is real or not, but what its capabilities are, and how to use one. Pointless wearing body armour that only protects from handguns, if your client is at risk from a group in a country where the AK47 assault rifle is the norm, (much more powerful 7.62mm rifle round, and would defeat armour, designed only to protect from small arms such as a 9mm).

The Lewis Machine Gun (not MK's but the Lewis gun in general). Unless it has been converted to 7.62 then this MG (Machine Gun) fires a .303 round, which is like the proverbial "rocking horse dodo" It would be just as hard to find an operational version of this MG in this day and age, as they have been around since WWI and although were also used during WWII they became pretty much obsolete in the 50's being too heavy, cooling issues with the barrels etc. The BREN with its spare barrel, (instead of the Lewis's draconian barrel cooling method) would be my choice at the time, its six pounds lighter than the Lewis as well! I could go on. Am I boring you yet? WAKE UP!

Back to the Lewis in the picture. Straight away when someone points any type of firearm, or firearm looking "thingy" at me, my attention would be drawn to the "business end" and regarding MK's you can clearly see that the business end (the barrel) has been plugged. Usually a steel rod will be placed down the barrel and welded to prevent use. You can clearly see that MK's barrel is not hollow, which is where the bullets would usually fly out of. IT’S DEACTIVATED!
Also if you take a look at the barrel jacket upto the cylindrical drum at the back of this, which is the magazine (where the bullets are stored prior to being loaded into the gun for firing) you will notice the overall poor condition this example of a Lewis Gun is in, another good indication that this is a DEACTIVATED prop, as I would imagine that the surface corrosion is an indicator of what overall condition this firearm to be in. If this was an operational firearm, I would suspect by its overall condition you would spend more time correcting feed jams, than actually firing anything out of it.
It’s hard to explain in such a short post, but take my word for it, I know a lot about firearms, and this is NOT a working firearm, it’s a DEAC as we call it in the trade. The only harm it could possibly do to anyone was if Maurice dropped it on your foot, they weigh around 28 pound if memory serves me well. I hope that has helped to clear things up a little, for those who were previously unsure.

If any doubters bothered to read into MK's case, you will realise that the only evidence (or should I say lack of evidence) claiming his Lewis to be operational (Capable of firing bullets) was a certain police officer "Foxy" the “Entrapper” who has since had a sex change!

As for the issue of MK's sanity, well I am concerned about what these corrupt fascists are pumping him full of NOW that he is in THEIR custody!

In my own case my sanity is being tested to the limit, but I do not consider myself "barking". If you have not paid any attention to anything I have said, then heed this. Although I can and have proven EVERYTHING I have ever claimed before the court, I was still declared unfit to plead.
The court appointed psychiatrists LIED through their teeth to get me sectioned, even after I presented the PROOF, 100% HARD UNDISPUTABLE FACTS! They claimed I was barking, and pretty much lived in a fantasy world.
Now you all know there is something wrong with the way this country is being run, and have heard of the corruption in the courts. If you didn't, then you probably wouldn’t even be posting on TPUC.

Some days I still wake up, still having difficulty believing myself what is happening to me, forgive the language, but its a fkin nightmare! I wouldn’t wish it on my worst enemy.
I know I have said this in the past, but not only can I still not believe what is going on, I cannot believe to what lengths these people will go to, to protect themselves from the truth being exposed.

Regardless of what PROOF I had in my own case, if I did not have a recording of the psychiatric evaluation, I myself would have been sectioned just before Christmas. I had recorded proof that their psychiatrists LIED!!!! A REAL CRIME HAD BEEN COMMITTED BY THEM AGAIN!!!, Yet there was absolutely no mention of the psychiatrists committing perjury, no charges bought against them, If however I was the one committing perjury, I guarantee I would be doing the mandatory two years imprisonment or whatever it is.

Seeing how desperate these people are to prevent me exposing the truth, desperate to shut me up, to lock me away out of sight without trial, like they have done to poor Maurice, as many of you already know, they have tried all sorts of dirty tricks in order to lock me up, or get me sectioned, or to otherwise bring harm to my family and myself.
I ask you to ponder this.
I Neil Jones have officially accused a man of Serbian descent who is currently living in this country, of being involved in the murder of Jill Dando, and I also accuse the police and the British government of not only having foreknowledge of this, but I also accuse them of trying to cover up this Truth and protect the identity of this man. Ponder this.
If I accused any of you for the murder of JD surely you would do something about it if you were innocent? I know if someone accused me of murdering someone, or accused me of abusing my official position to help cover up a murder, when I have not, I would be fuming.
WHY have I not been arrested or accused of SLANDER? Why instead have they spent just over a year trying to fit me up for anything BUT! Think about that for a moment PLEASE!

Like myself, Maurice Kirk is a victim of this corrupt legal system, plain and simple!! If he had done ANYTHING wrong, then why did they need to section him? Sectioning being the only option they currently have available to incarcerate and effectively silence an innocent man, without having to prove any wrongdoing on his Maurice’s part. And finally, does it really matter what class you are from, by discriminating people because of their background, social class etc, then you are really no different to those abusing their powers to discriminate against the rest of us.
First and foremost Maurice Kirk is a Human Being, as are we, he is our equal, and he needs our support, so let’s give him it!"

Peace,
Neil

Edit:

On reading this back, there is a lot about me in it, and I do not want anyone to think I am hijacking this thread for my own plight. Maurice is in a far worse place than I at the moment, and I really do feel for him. I guess I am trying from my own not to dissimilar experience of state sponsored injustice trying to explain what I think is going on in Maurice's case, and to help convey my concerns I have put a lot of what's been happening to me in there.

Also, now I come to think about it, have a think about this. In my case, they "downed tools" if you like, trying to "section" me, so that they did not have to go to trial. I was considered "UNFIT TO PLEA" therefore liable to be sectioned, but the point being UNFIT TO PLEA! All court proceedings effectively STOPPED while this was being determined.

Now lets look again at Maurice. He has been sectioned, and on those grounds must therefore be deemed UNFIT TO PLEA, correct? So why is he still having to attend court over the firearm?, I smell a rat.

Using thier own laws (rules) to clarify:

By sectioning Maurice, they must by their very actions consider Maurice Kirk "not of sound mind" therefore UNFIT TO PLEA, if this is the case, they may justify his "sectioning" but can no longer justify dragging him to court over the firearms accusations!

However they ARE dragging him to court, so this must suggest that they consider him "of sound mind", and competant enough to stand accused of the accusations made against his person, by the entrapping sex changing copper Mrs Fox, sorry Mr Fox?
If this is the case, and they consider Maurice Kirk competant to go to court, then am I to believe that the British injustice system has UNLAWFULLY "sectioned" a SANE MAN?

Has Maurice's legal team raised this issue?
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Re: Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby Mike_Jetson on Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:34 pm

Exactly Neil!
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Re: Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby TheStoge on Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:45 pm

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Re: Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby kazz67 on Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:48 pm

Excellent post. Thanks Neil!

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Re: Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby MadBomberJones on Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:25 pm

kazz67 wrote:Excellent post. Thanks Neil!

Peace,
Kazz. xxx


Thanks Kazz,

I have added an edit, and I am a little excited, as I wonder if somthing I have thought about may have been overlooked by Maurice's legal team. Have Maurice's legal team challenged the courts decision to Section Maurice in the first place, as surely if the courts consider Maurice competant enough to continue with other proceedings (firearm's charges). Then they must assume he is of sound enough mind to stand trial. therefore, how can they justify sectioning a man whom the courts consider sane? They cannot have it both ways!

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Re: Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby Somebodyelse on Tue Feb 02, 2010 8:47 pm

Hello, this would be my first post on here though I have been watching the forum for about 6 months,
i have decided to post to support Maurice and hopefully provide some more info for you all as i have been in the court today and yesterday.
Today there were only three people in the public gallery including myself and it ocurred to me as I was listening that if we three were not there then it would have effectively been a closed court and the judge could do as he pleased!
Maurice is fighting his corner with great courage as he always does and standing up to the police and the court , considering the way he has been treated I thought he was remarkably restrained.
He has been detained since 22nd june last year and although he was originally granted bail by the magistrates court the SWP got that overturned and he was remanded to cardiff prison.
After announcing that he would defend himself as is his right under the law when he came back to court a month later ,the judge decided to send him for a spell in Caswell clinic at the Parc prison in Bridgend,( which ironically used to be a mental hospital before it was sold to group 4), so that the shrinks could find him unfit to defend himself!
After a month of his enduring analysis and deprivations of his rights, forced administration of mind bending drugs and a total lack of privacy and no access to any of his papers for his defence they failed to find cause to call him insane and he went back to court whereupon the judge instructed the shrinks to try again and sent him back for another month! (transcripts and more info can be found on Maurices site)
After another 28 days they had still failed to permanently exclude him from society and the judge sent him back to Cardiff prison to await trial.
This trial is not about a machine gun it is about keeping Maurice quiet and stopping him from sueing the SWP specifically the ex chief constable for lying under oath.
If anyone is able to attend and lend support then I am sure the psychological benefits would be great for Maurice, just knowing that there are people on your side can be a huge boost.

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Re: Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby Chug on Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:36 pm

Somebodyelse wrote:transcripts and more info can be found on Maurices site)


Got a link for Maurice's site please matey?

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Re: Maurice Kirk - The relic was not a firearm !

Postby Somebodyelse on Tue Feb 02, 2010 9:51 pm

yeah sure it's at http://kirkflyingvet.com/
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