Jesus – an alternative story by John Harris.

Many of us love stories, me included. Recently on the forum I was discussing a story that I know that is an alternative to the recognised Jesus story. So this morning I have decided to share it with all you story lovers. I was told a small part of this story by a friend who was a monk of the order of St John of Jerusalem and then I filled in the blanks. As the other story that exists about this man, I cannot confirm this one is true and to me, it is nothing more than a story, as in truth, the other story only is.

I have kept this as brief as possible, as you could easily write a book on this subject and I haven’t even finished the first one yet, but who knows!

Jesus – an alternative story.

A little over two thousand years ago a ruling set of tribes (12 in all) where having problems with the worship of many gods carrying on from the Egyptian dynasties they had descended from. A civil war had ravaged Egypt and the ruling families had to flee across the water to a place called Lios, occupying the northern part of this land, but the problem of worship of many gods had followed them and was also already present in their new home. The problem was that each faith had differences between them which caused rivalry and division and made the law impossible to enforce. Fast losing patience the families had to construct something that would outlaw the many gods and bring all worshippers under one umbrella a kind of interfaith so to speak, monotheism.
 
  As hard as they tried they could not enforce this and they knew there were always going to be far less controllers than there were controlled, it was simple common sense. The families already had the Roman armies on their pay roll for security and they had already recruited the Jewish sects as accountants and bankers as temple taxation was already under way. Even with the Roman legions they were still outnumbered by at least 400-1 and havoc reigned even though crimes were being punished harshly and cruelly, but this made no difference, the multi god syndrome was still at play and was proving very difficult to bring under control. The main reason they wanted control was to apply the taxation, but on the back bone of this create a class division system that would ensure the cogs of the commercial construct (taxation) they wanted to introduce would always turn and they remained at the top of the pile.

  One ruling family elder had a son named Jesus. Jesus was a bright intelligent diligent student who was particularly bright when it came to the matters of politics and was a keen student when it came to history. He studied a pharaoh called Akhenaten and what he was accused of, which in effect, had caused the civil war to rage.
  Akhenaten was accused of sun worship and accused of bringing into existence monotheism (the worship of one god) the peoples of Egypt rose against him according to historical accounts, because they were still convinced there were multiple gods. But because Jesus was of the ruling families he had access to another set of records that contained a different version of events.
  This record proclaimed that Akhenaten had told the truth regarding any gods, that it was all for control purposes and no gods actually existed and never had. He proclaimed that a ball of energy like the sun was in us and that was the true us that powered the bodies we were trapped in. He also proclaimed that temples were not needed and nor was any form of worship or obedience to a god or its servants, because the temples, the servants of the god were in fact acting as god so they could maintain their positions – it was simply based on lies. The families had already put the temple above the pharaoh and the records had recorded this. But the word monotheism stayed with Jesus and the fact the temple was actually god. Not feeling these records were relevant or of any significance, none of the other family members had ever taken notice of them.
  For months Jesus contemplated what he had read and started to see how this could be used as a ultimate system of control and what’s more it would net the controllers of this system everything, or so he made everyone believe he had. A meeting was called between the elder males of the families and their oldest sons on Jesus’ request and they all met. That day Jesus was to give a corporate sales pitch like none before, because he could see a system, a simple system based on what he had read and a book by the name of the book of the dead he had studied, but he kept very crucial part out deliberately, that you will discover later.
  He stood before the families and on that eve what we all live in now was created a commercial construct run by corporations. This is what he suggested.

  We will start a rumour, create a story that says there is only one god and he has a set of rules you have to obey. To do this we will make this law and we will enforce it. But these laws only apply to them (of lower status) and not too us. We will have our own set for us alone and to use as enticement (privileges) to get those we need too, do what is needed to be done. This structure is called hierarchy and the all we maintain the few.
Once we have done this we can create more laws based on taxation and enforce them with harsh consequences. We will create a book of our own and list what must be done and adhered too and this is where the story comes in.
  The story shall say I, Jesus, had 12 followers called disciples and only 12, because those of the numbers will recognise the significance of this. The story shall say I will go against you and the temple and pronounce you wrong in your doings and the disciples will tell my words of the same. The story will be full of words that I say that are moral and good but with a twist the most powerful twist, that will be known to us as the myth of Jesus Christ the king of kings. We shall add a character called god into this and call him the farther, not just mine, but everyone’s and you must do as I say to reach his house which we will call heaven. A place of perfection that you will return too when you leave this earthly plane.
  This story will say that I am against the temple and through my teachings I will turn everyone against it. Then one of the disciples will turn against me and you will arrest me, try me, convict me and crucify me upon a cross. From the cross I will be taken to a cave where in three days time I will come back to life and the temple will fall at my feet because of this and because of miracles we will tell them I performed that are nothing more than illusions. I shall walk on water, turn water into wine, feed 5 thousand and we shall say I was born of a virgin who we shall call Mary.
  The temple will claim I died for mankind’s sins and thus we have created a means by which we can do as we please as someone has already paid the price. The image of me on a cross shall be present in every temple for those worshipers to fall at their knees too, to ask forgiveness and for help and they will accept my word and the word of my servants (the temple) over and above everything and never will they question. We shall use dead speak (corporation) to hide our intentions and a language called the language of the shadows, because everything we do and say shall have dual meaning, one meaning to them (the unworthy) and one to us that they shall not know of. The corporate hierarchal structure will infect everything and we shall receive the profits of this (taxation). We shall own all land and all those who dwell upon it and they will serve us, they will have no choice as they fear us and the words we say. Let this be the template.
  later we shall tell them that I will return when what we have created starts to turn upon itself, because in time it will because it is based upon a lie. Then we can move to reassert ourselves through law, because we shall own the word and all it can deliver to benefit us. We must own all words and there meanings and change them at will to suit our needs and tell them that when I return the temple, my servants, shall be rewarded for their service.
  It will be proclaimed, by he who says he is I (as the king of kings) that I have returned to save humanity and all will fall at my feet and fall to my law which will be the law they already know and adhere too. By this happening you will then truly rule the world.

Note; please understand this is a very brief version.

  The families had listened and to be honest liked what they had listened too, but wanted to know what was in for Jesus who told them that he just required his name to go down in history as a messiah and that was payment enough along with all the riches he could wish for and a new life in a new land. The families agreed all accept one man sat there, who was Jesus’ cousin, a man by the name of John.
  John, although he was a member of the ruling families, was horrified by what he heard and fully realised the implications of what Jesus was suggesting, even if no one else did, possibly not even Jesus. He realised that this system could enslave all of humanity in time based on a lie and in the end bring humanity to the verge of self destruction.
  John was a gentle man who was for ever getting in trouble with the temple and not only his own family, but the other eleven as well. He did not want long hair as he had to wear it, because he preferred short hair, long hair just wasn’t him. He wanted to be with a servant girl and was beaten at times because he would not stop seeing her and in the end she disappeared, breaking his heart. Many were brought to him of equal, but none were her.
  Only days after the meeting John cut hair short and acquired work man’s clothes from friends, because John’s friends were those who truly worked, even though both John and his workmen friends kept this their friendship very secret.
  Gathering a few things and some food John left his home and then the city and started walking south working on building sites and learning the trades. No one came looking for him, to be honest they were glad to be rid of him, even his own mother and farther.

  Five years passed and Jesus’ plan was working, but the rumour hadn’t quite taken off as first expected and there were those already offering political disagreements that added to the problem. Those that lived where the story was based called it a lie and said no such occurrence had ever taken place. A war was waged against them to hush them and they were massacred. There were rumours spreading of a man who tells of what really is going on and how it come about and by whom. This was causing talk of revolution, the law and politics within the church was being questioned, as taxation was being increased all the time. They were under attack from all sides.
  John by now was nearly as far south as he could be and had been working for those five years and had picked up quite a few skills, carpentry being one of them. He also had quite a following because of a story he was telling, the story of what really was happening and how he knew.
  Jesus was summoned and arrived in Lios incognito and met with the rest of the families. After being told what was happening Jesus and the families realised that they needed to find this man, for obvious reasons and two templar were dispatched to find him. This didn’t take long as everyone seemed to know his name and where he was heading and the story he had told.
  Jesus and the families did not want the man killed when he was found, so the templar were told only to find out who he was and where he could be found.
  After reporting back with the information desired, Jesus’ left with an escort of Romans soldiers and templar to arrest his own cousin, who he had now worked out could be the only man doing this - to have the knowledge of what had been said it that meeting and also the templar had reported back it was in fact John who they sort.
  They found John on a building site surrounded by hundreds who were listening as he rested and talked of what he had been witness too and the fact that all they claimed was nothing more than a lie. This building site was across a bay from a hill surrounded by trees where John would rest his head at the end of the day, where he had a small shelter he had built for himself hundreds surrounded him on this hill side and stayed there listening to his words. John spoke of not only what happened in the meeting, but the fact that life could be so different and they listened.
  Jesus decided not to try and arrest John until he had more soldiers to help quell any insurrection that would probably occur if they did try. He realised his cousin had a massive following that stretched the length of the land. Jesus sent word that he needed as many soldiers as could be spared and told of the reason why he needed them. They were dispatched.

  Weeks later they arrived and camped some miles from the hillside and a meeting was held between Jesus, the templar and the commanders of the Roman legions. They decided that they would wait until John was asleep in his shelter upon the hillside after working all day before they would attempt his arrest. With everyone asleep they would have the element of surprise and there would be no chance John could escape. A templar scout was sent out and reported back that all but a few were asleep and the opportune moment would be now. They set off leaving enough time in hand so they would get to the hillside just before dawn still cloaked by the darkness. When they arrived they met with a small amount of resistance, which was easily quashed, which took place at the foot of the hillside.
  When they arrived at the top of the hillside where John’s shelter was, John and many others were already awake after hearing the commotion at the foot of the hill. John realised what was happening as he heard the armour they were wearing and had told everyone not to offer any resistance at all, only to remember what they witnessed this day.
  John offered no resistance and was soon surrounded by the templar and roman soldiers. The 200 approx on the hillside were outnumbered 5-1 by soldiers and templar’s who had come for a fight, not one of John’s companions were armed and the majority were women and children.
John stood alone in the centre of all of this and a hooded man approached him, stopping in front of him head down. The hooded man lifted his head and lowered his hood and revealed that he was John’s cousin Jesus. Silent gasps could be heard as all that stood there, that had listened to John, realised everything he had said was true and Jesus did not in fact die upon a cross, in some far off land, as he stood before them now. John could tell many wanted to voice objection and shout liar with all their might, but John asked them not too.
  John was arrested and clamped in irons and was escorted from the hill side and as he was taken tears feel from his eyes, as he realised what was to become of all those who stayed with him there. As they left that hillside the soldiers and the templar attacked and all upon the hill side, were massacred. Those in the surrounding towns and villages were also placed under guard as Jesus and the templar had brought thousands of Roman soldiers with them. The bodies upon the hillside where then collected up, the bodies of men, women and children, collected and heaped. Wood was brought from the forests and large pyre’s where built and also a large cross from oak.
 
  John was taken to the encampment and was questioned and tortured, so he would agree to fall at Jesus’ feet and then tell everyone he had lied and that the story of Jesus Christ was true and he had been mistaken. Jesus knew if John did this and he was proven to be a liar they would regain the control and the original story about him would in fact work. But John refused and said nothing.
  John knew he was going to die and was becoming weaker as the pain he was enduring became intolerable and spoke. looking straight at Jesus he said ‘what you are about to create will be the death of you, as you will not be able to bear the burden of it when you realise what you have created. You will one day tell the truth of what has happened here, even though it will bring about your demise. I am sadden for you cousin, because all you will do and all you will create and all that is created from it will end, when the one who bears the mark is here.’
  Jesus asked about the mark, but john would not answer and Jesus became angry and took a sword from one of the guards nearby and brandished it near Johns face – still he would not speak. Pushing the sword tip into one of the many wounds his body was covered with John grimaced and let a cry of pain and as this subsided he spoke what would be his last words.
  ‘The mark that he will carry, will be the mark of the ‘burning cross’ and he will undo all that will be created from what you have done and how do I know this, because I read more than you did cousin and one day they will find out this wasn’t your idea, it was an idea you stole. Upon that hillside where I slept, a cross will burn.’
  On hearing this Jesus lashed out in temper at John with the sword and lashed out four times and as he stood back covered in his cousins blood, John’s head lay before his body, lay before where he was kneeling, severed. Jesus stood just looking at what he had done thinking how he could use this to his best advantage. What he had just done could cause a backlash as John’s followers could quite easily revolt against the temple and the families and they had nowhere near enough soldiers to stop this, but he had a answer and called for the army physician. He told the physician to sew the head back on the best he could and then the body of John was taken to the hillside and put upon the cross and the cross was erected.
  At dawn all were taken from the towns and villages and marched to the hillside to see John’s body crucified upon the cross and Jesus spoke to them.
‘Now you have a crucifixion and bear witness to it and know this, whoever of you deny the story of Jesus Christ, then this will happen to you and if you forget, then turn to the temple and you will see this image so you remember. Let this image serve as a threat, that if you do not obey us and accept our words as truth, then this will be your fate, or worse.’

  A guard was set and on that eve the pyre’s where lit so all could see the silhouette of John on the cross. The fires raged for 3 days and no one attempted to go near the cross to recover John’s body and the guard became slack, bored with standing there. On the forth evening the guards were overcome by a few who had bore witness to what had happened. Wood was stacked high at the foot of the cross and it was lit, but before this his head was removed.
  Jesus was alerted by a guard that the cross on that hill in Lios was alight and burning well and could be seen for miles around, also he was told that 2 templar had gone missing and they were the ones who had been sent to find John. Also the head of John was also missing.
  That was last anyone ever saw of Jesus until a story was told that a man claiming to be Jesus Christ turned up Londinium many many years later trying to tell a story of how in fact he was the creator of Christianity and that it was created to enslave humanity and that it was based on lies. He was arrested by the authorities and put to death for blasphemy.
  In his later years Jesus suffered because of what his cousin had told him and the fact that the cross on that hill had burnt, which was lit by two templar, who witnessed what Jesus did to his own cousin and had listened to what John had said – the two templar sent to find him.

  Just over 900 years later the templar would be disbanded because of this story, because those two knights told the truth of what they had seen on that hill side in Cornwall and the truth of Christianity. One side remained loyal to the church and those who knew the truth went to ground taking all the templar wealth with them, their sole objective to never allow the truth of that day and the real truth of Christianity to be forgotten. But that is another story for another time.

  The hillside was later named the mount by the Cornish people, where John was mounted on a cross. The catholic church soon changed this to St Michaels mount in around 500ad after two fisherman claimed St Michael appeared to them from upon the mount, but the Cornish people still just call her the mount and many of them, I am sure, don’t know why they do.

  It is said that a family of templar’s emanating from Cornwall have handed down this story and others like it for centuries which was to make sure they were never forgotten, because one day it will be needed. Because this story is not about hocus pocus and events that are not possible by any stretch of the imagination, this is simply about telling the truth about what happened on the top of that hill and why it happened, but again, that is another story for another time.

  Please remember this is just a story like the other version is, a story of who was involved and what they did and why and of course what we landed up with because of it!

John x

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spot on as usual, the bible is a load of tripe.

I think it is hard for anyone not to conclude that the Church over the ages has grossly abused its position in many, many ways. However you need to look beyond the hypocrisy and human failure to see the wisdom in the book itself and the life that Jesus lived. For instance, ex-Jesus basher, Paul says in Galatians ch5 v22-23 "But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law". I think most people would see these as worthy characteristics for decent human existence. The real con is that as a fallen race we are unable to consistently display these characteristics often opting for the selfish opposites: self-serving ambition, greed, malice, envy... and the list goes on. The core message of the bible is that we should be Truth seekers, seeking the absolute Truth and not just a relative one, because each person's own truth may be slightly different. We have the choice of whether to live each moment in Truth (light) or untruth (darkness). Accepting that Jesus is the embodiment of this Truth and that he was sacrificed for our (my) darkness means that, even though I don't deserve it, I can spend an eternity in the light with Truth, love and everything else that is noble and praiseworthy. Not accepting him quite logically means we go without all that stuff. The Spirit is the one who helps us live this otherwise impossible life of truth, piercing our conscience as to the right way to go. simples. Seek the truth and you will find it... why, because truth by definition is always true.

Mostly spot on, and very well articulated. I do disagree though that "the core message of the bible is that we should be Truth seekers"... No the core message of the bible (Old and New Testament) is in fact if you are not a Christian (accepting of god) you will be dammed in life and after death. The core message of Jesus' quotes on the other hand are encouraging one to be a truth seeker. To say that though without the 'added on' "and you will find god", bit which I believe he most likely didn't say. Enlightment is easy, ask 'why not' when you normally would ask 'why'. :o) However do not pay any thought to my reply, go on living in the light I have not gripe with that, just don't give any money to the Vatican please.

This isn't the first time I've heard the story that he was in the Egyptian royal family. I have not heard the further details, however. As regarding to the implications of this story, I can understand the outrage and the thought that it may dishonor their relatives who worshipped him. I have many relatives who I adore who worshipped Christ, as well. This does not dishonor their memories, as they worshipped the true Christ. . Brother John was every part of the Christ he wished to be. Regardless of name, his spirit is the same. I don't know which version is true but the true Christ is the sun within you. Christ, Krystos, Krishna all mean sun. Jes was hebrew for sun. There is no saviour to redeem you. That power lies within you. A

Just a short note to add to my previous comment:

I mean, even THIS article about a divine messenger that was sent to tell us how to change our miserable world into a paradise (and consequencly was murdered brutally, and his teachings were distorted and twisted, and people even killed in his name), has a "Firey X" in it's logo, on a black background.

This symbolism sort of makes me wonder.. I have seen John Harris' lecture, and it was very informative and good - and I have also seen another video that advertises this website (Meet your Strawman, the grayscale (what people call black+white) short film). So I have high hopes for this website, John:Harris and people who created that video, but can't help wondering a bit about all the 'black+fire' symbolism with the X's etc.

Of course it could be a coincidence, but a "X formed by FIRE", in an (or AND an) article that tries to diminish Jesus into just a regular human being from the divine being that he actually was (and still is), is a bit startling, to say the least. This whole solar system is his responsibility now, and people from other planets also consider him as their Master (not a government-type master, but the kind that they can learn from - like a teacher and an example, if you will - a higher being that they look up to), so it seems a bit ridiculous that someone claims he was just a regular dude.

Otherwise, this seems like a potentially excellent website, with lots of information - it's good to know things, but it's also good to have wisdom about the spiritual side of things - you know, like - WHY Earth is in this shape and why those evil oligarchs are able to do what they do. It's not a coincidence - when you take long enough time perspective (beyond Atlantis and all), different incarnations, Karma, and all that into account, along with the history of the exploded planet in our solar system that now only exists as asteroids somewhere between Jupiter and Mars, it's somewhat easier to endure all this and know that it all happens for a reason.

Evil exists because forced good is not good. I mean, for 'good' to have any value as a choice, there has to be -other- choices as well. If there's no other choices, there's no worth in choosing good, because that's what everyone will be then forced to do in any case.

That's why there has to always be temptations, difficulties, evil entities and other seemingly horrible things - they also serve to give us opportunities for atoning for our Karma.

If someone can choose evil and good, and chooses good, only then that choice is valuable. He -could- have chosen evil, but he still chose good! That's genuine, real good.

Basically that and Karma are the two reasons why all this horrible 'legal system' and 'strawman' stuff is also happening. There are probably other reasons as well, as letting people realize the truth and facts by themselves, instead of just blindly trusting some evil people who want to control them (and call themselves the 'government' or 'bankers' or 'courts of justice' or whatever). I mean, if people do not wake up and realize what's going on before they are forced to, then they might actually really just deserve what happens. Adults should know better, only children can wander ignorantly around and not know how the world's systems work. This process is making people of Earth spiritual adults among other things.

Ok, I think that's enough for now - thanks for the website, and I hope I haven't disturbed anyone by expressing my idea and a little bit of wisdom about how the world works from a perspective that is not very often used in places like this.

Hi, just a thought on one thing you said, "so it seems a bit ridiculous that someone claims he was just a regular dude". Don't you see the irony in that point, that is just it - you don't have to be the son of God to be someone like Jesus, as he said (and very much Budda) and you said (I think you did, though I might be getting my comments mixed up) 'God/Truth/Light is within YOU/EVERYONE/EVERYTHING'. Don't you see, we are all. There is no-one or thing higher then a being just before enlightment.

Hm, somehow my comment didn't go through. Anyways, I find it a bit peculiar how 'dark' symbolism and themes this website uses, when it's supposed to show the light and information for people. Fire, lots of X's (which can resemble the crossbones in the skull + crossbones-symbol), and lots of black. I just hope it doesn't really mean anything, except just being conditioned, like we all are, to express these symbolisms as 'normal' .. (how many people today wear black clothes, have 'fire' tattoos or 'fire' symbols on their clothes, etc.)

Anyways, I think my comment was somewhat important and unique, so I hope it went through, but is in a moderation queue or something.

Here is a better alternative Jesus story - and I think more truthful.

"I do not have first hand knowledge about the deeper phases of your Christ's coming on Earth. The plan was lead by a much higher group than us, although it's members were not strictly speaking perfect deities. Our people nevertheless had some tasks to perform. I was very young at the time, just a novice of the temple, but I had the honor of being chosen among the large group of people that was sent to take care of Maria, the material mother of the Christ.

Thus our responsibility became not only to take care of Maria's material needs, but also to constantly guard her and to combine our efforts and knowledge about the mental sciences to be able to perform the necessary tasks that she couldn't do herself.

Our rituals were strange to the people of the time. Our ability to appear and disappear out of sight by speeding up or slowing down our vibration frequency astonished them. They concluded that we were some sort of supernatural beings and called us 'angels'.

When the Christ wandered on Earth, spreading his message, we planned to work invisibly behind him to gather into irresistable group all of those, who took his message into heart. We were planning to lift a whole civilization up from dirt. We were going to save a whole world in one strike.

Then a terrible thought started to creep into our minds - we had not taken one thing into account. And that is, that people in your world were not at all ready for such a message.

In the end the events led to the bitter conclusion, and there was no doubt that everything was over. But we lived. And we learned. And in the end we realized, that all of this was part of the Divine plan of the Omnipotent Being, and that the efforts had not been wasted. Because there is a time to sow and there's a time to reap. No matter how well the sowing has been done, you cannot reap the crop it until the seed has sprouted, grown and in time fully matured.

It is difficult to tell the truth without insulting those who blindly and without forethought follow a specific belief system, a teaching or sect/cult. Your world would be a better place, if all the creeds and doctrines were thrown into the sea. When you try to bring basic truths into a written form and gather them into laws, you open the road for corrupt writers and legistlators, who will distort them and interpret them through their own, selfish, wrong causes. And you will open the road to endless arguments about meaningless, trivial matters, until the trees of countless creeds conceal the forest of the truth. "

It's a quote, but as we all know, it's perfectly lawful to quote, copy, etc.. (I.e. "piracy", for example, isn't really piracy at all - but calling it that, it's easy to attack the normal human need to share things with others - sharing used to be caring, now it's called 'piracy'.. which is ironic, because the people calling it piracy, were the original pirates with their occultistic rituals in New Orleans, for example - but the dogma says that it's the black people who practiced voodoo in the past.. no, it was the pirates - and those same pirates still use the same occultistic rituals, the same occult death cult symbols (the same skulls+crossbones symbol that the Nazis used) and so on)

I hope you enjoyed..

This is not a suprise. This game we all play for what purpose? The suffering all of this causes is beyond my comprehension.

Because I don't have a problem with an alternate Jesus story (Why isn't the Church Militant the Church Triumphant? - Because it's stuck with only Pauls Jesus story!), I do have a problem with an alternate Jesus story. Since Jesus was my mom's favorite dude the only endorsable alternate for me would have to repudiate her (Christian)faith in a way that would delight her (and every other Christian too!?). Since this domain seems concerned with the love of truth I'm hoping someone here appreciates the problem I have with the problem I don't have, and can indicate a likely avenue of resolution. Christianity - the biggest con ever in history? Neitzsche called it the worst thing that ever happened to humanity since its 'con' was to consider the quality of its literature on par with that of the 'Old Testament'. I guess he didn't like purveyors of misinformation pawning themselves off as promoting something other than cultural illiteracy. Surely fundamentalism takes the ribbon for the biggest con ever in history.

Biggest, not in the grand idea, but biggest in the total number of individuals it has infected? And credit to its design it specifically teaches you that to speak against it means eternal hell, the only unforgivable sin to say it's not true... When you look at it from a broader perspective it's hard not to realise it is of design (made by man), for the purpose to enslave men.

An alternate jesus story could have him as a John E. Sarno character that therapeutically related to his interlocutors with 'raw' information, or a John Lennon type dude that would have changed his mind on a thing or two had he lived longer. I like to think of Jesus as an example of a bona fide adult member of the human species, before anyone actually knew anything about that particular social group. Keep groping y'all, I know I will. Anything less would be uncivilized. Peace out!

Everyone loves a good story. I think the closest thing to a realistic representation of the Christ myth is The Zietgiest Movements. If you guys haven't watched it do so when you can. Riveting exposé of religion. I believe their hypothesis that it is all based on the zodiac. The bull, the fish, the virgin, 12 deciles, the sun of god. It all makes sense that such icons would inform primitive thinking and would eventuate in such biblical allegories. It even fits with occums razor - the simplest theory being most likely.

Hello, I like Zietgiest's take on it too. It brought me to this whole man behind the curtain thing with his 'problem, reaction, solution' stratergy in a serious way, not a far fetched 'illuminati' way (though I'd say there is truth to be found there too). Why I'm replying is to say to you to try watch the movie I recommended in a previous comment, it only breifly covers an alternative story of Jesus but it keeps on coming back to me EVERY time I hear the word 'Jesus' and I love it. Peace

Perfect story, factual or not... good timing too, run up to Christmas. Biggest con ever in history = Christianity. And for those of you who are story lovers! Check out a movie (a real movie on IMDB with an 8 out 10 rating!) called "The man from earth" (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0756683/). It's completely fictional but in my opinion no more than any version of the bible. Take care John and all those in support/acknowledgment or any truth seekers.

Haha just realised the main character in my suggested movie is also named John - the one who was also supposedly Jesus... Funny coincidence? I think not!